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S2|E2 How to Strengthen Family Communication and Trust, with Dr. Maiysha Clairborne.

• Dr. Hokehe Eko • Season 2 • Episode 2

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Exploring the transformative power of communication, this episode unveils strategies for building deeper connections with children.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne shares insights on inherited communication styles, the importance of conscious parenting, and ways to listen actively to foster emotional intelligence.

In this episode you’ll find:
• Importance of communication in parenting 
• Understanding inherited communication styles 
• Engaging in peer conversations for growth 
• Conscious vs. traditional parenting methods 
• Teaching resilience through effective communication 
• Modeling honesty about emotions 
• Active listening as a fundamental tool 
• Connecting through shared activities and play 
• Intentional time management for family relationships

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Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Hello parents, welcome to another episode of Brain Power with Dr Eko, and today we have the amazing Dr Maiysha Clairborne with me and I'm going to let her introduce herself, because she is simply a powerhouse. So, dr Maiysha, welcome to the show and please introduce yourself.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Dr Eko, first of all, thank you so much for having me on the show. I'm so excited for this conversation today. You know I love love. I just share with you on the show. I'm so excited for this conversation today. You know I love love. I just share with you behind the scenes. I love talking to parents. I love talking about parenting and communication. So I'm so excited about the conversation.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

So, for those of you who don't know me, I'm Dr Myesha Claiborne. My trained specialty is family medicine and I grew up in the world of integrative medicine. That means that I integrated in more holistic modalities into my practice for the many years that I did this. I practiced for about 15 years and then I transitioned out to coaching and I coach from a brain communication neuroscience standpoint, a brain communication neuroscience standpoint. I help people with unhealed trauma to be able to process that trauma and release that trauma, the negative emotions, limiting beliefs and decisions that hold us back, that impact our behaviors, that impact our communication. And I teach people how to communicate in ways that leave you feeling seen, heard, respected, valued and others welcome. So that's what I now do. I have, I have oh, and I'm also a mom, of course. It's the most important part. It's the most important part. I am a mom. I have a. Currently at the time of this podcast, he is in the fourth grade, he just turned 10 and we are in the world of preteen and it is very interesting.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Yes I, I have a.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

I have a 12 year old too, so I'm a 15 year old, so I I get it yeah, he's at this stage where, like, there's the part of him that like still lovey-dovey and he's like, oh, mommy, can you check on me, or can I have a hug, or can I this? But then, like five minutes later, he's like you know, snappy, snappy and you know arguing with me and I'm like dude, like what. So I told him last night. I said you know what? I'm gonna buy you a book on puberty so you can know what's happening inside your body. He's like I'd rather just talk to you about it. I was like you can know what's happening inside your body. He's like I'd rather just talk to you about it. I was like you can talk to me about it, but you're still going to read the book too, right?

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Wow, that is so wonderful and I love that you you said you focus on communication in the realm of parenting, and so let's talk about that. So and I know you also mentioned you talk to people from the angle of neuroscience and all things brain, which is so important because our brains run off literally. And so, yes, tell us parents, what strategies can we implement to communicate better with our kids, or maybe we should even start earlier than that. What are our communication styles that we need to address with ourselves and then how can we improve that with our kids?

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

I think I'll start with the fact that we think that we are consciously communicating and oftentimes we are communicating number one. Let's just face it, we're not really taught how to communicate effectively as kids. So, by and large, we inherit our communication. We inherit it from, you know, generations from, like cultural, like the cultures that we come from. We inherit it from what our parents did and what their parents did. We inherited from society and what our educators taught us, like there's all these ways that we inherit, the ways that we communicate, and even our peers, right. So now my son's 10 and he's using all this Gen Alpha slang and even I'm like starting to like use it a little bit, just to try to relate to him, you know.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

And he really doesn't like when I use genalco slang. By the way, that's the uncoolest thing that I can be doing is using his slang. Imagine that, right? Right, so we inherit all these ways of communication, but we're not necessarily taught what are the effective ways. They may have been effective in some ways, but not always the most healthy ways, right? So the way that I'm a Gen Xer, the way that my parents talked to me, it was very fear-based and it installed.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

I have sort of deconstructed the trauma that I've experienced in my childhood around communication, around interaction. And don't get me wrong, my parents were great parents. They are great parents, they're still with us. I love them. We're tight, tight and I recognize some of the unhealthy habits that I picked up along the way in communication and how, when I as a younger parent, when Delson was younger, a lot of the ways that I communicated was fear-based. And so, even when you do a lot of personal development, having a child changes you because you know the child knows all the buttons and they push all the buttons and there's a higher level of worry and unconscious fear that we have, and so it can actually activate. It can activate fear that we didn't know we even had. So I think it's important to start there to start with. What are the ways that we inherited communication and what are the? What are the unconscious beliefs and and things that were installed in us that have us interact with our young people the way we do?

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

and what are some ways that we, as parents, can sit down long enough to have this conversation with ourselves, like what things can facilitate that you know, I I like like having dialogues with friends and with spouses.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

So if you're, you know, if you're married, if you have a spouse I currently I mean I personally, I'm a single mom, so I have my conversations with other moms. I think it's so useful for us to talk with each other, to begin to have these conversations like okay, this is how I was when I grew up. You know, when I grew up, it was leave your feelings at the door. Or when I grew up, you know, my kid couldn't talk to me like this without a, you know a flip flop being thrown or something being thrown at you or you know it used to be.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

They just go for the belt. So like to understand, like, ok, this is how we were grew up. We grew up. How do we want to change that? You know what are some of the conversations.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

I think it's also important to understand that we're not alone in these conversations, because it's easy to then take on guilt mom guilt for the ways that we're interacting with our kids. But we have to understand that once we are aware we can shift and change. And kids are incredibly resilient, right, I think that's good. And they see when you're trying to make the change. They can see it, even if they don't say it right, and sometimes they will say it. And so I think the first thing we do is we start having conversations with each other. We start having conversations with our spouses Say, okay, you know what, this is the way I grew up, but this is not exactly the way I want to interact with my kids. Or if it's like well, if we have one spouse that says, well, I don't see why we need to change, it worked for us to really look at. Well, it might've worked for us, but did it leave us a little traumatized, you know. So there's, there's that conversation. And then the third thing I think to also recognize is to not over to, not over compensate, because we talk about this, this concept of, of, of gentle parenting and I'm a Gen X again, so I don't know nothing about that coming up Like what is that Right? And when I first heard of gentle parenting, I was like, and I saw that you would see these certain depictions in certain cultures of what gentle parenting looked like. And I'm like, no, I'm not going that far, no, right. But as I've learned about what and I like to reframe it as conscious parenting right, when I've learned more about what gentle parenting or conscious parenting looks like, it doesn't mean that you take away a child's ability to be able to experience adversity. Right, we have to tell our kids no sometimes, because guess what? They're going to go in the world and hear no. They need to understand what rejection is and not be able to make a story up about it, about themselves. That builds resilience.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

I don't always give my son choices. I give him choices for the most part, but sometimes I'm like you know, you're going to go out in the world and you're going to have areas where there's not going to be choices for you. Right there, you can find a workaround Right, but I can't always give you all the choices that you want. You know you have to teach our children responsibility. I know that in my generation we always want to make it better for the next generation and so you know, I stopped having my cleaners come every couple of weeks because now I have a son who is capable of sweeping floors and cleaning the bathroom and making his own lunch.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

But I know parents yeah, I know parents who are like, oh, they shouldn't have to do all of that. And I'm like, oh, yes, they should, because when we have kids who are growing up, who can't boil an egg, cook pasta which are, I think, the two most simple things to do, right, you know who who can clean their house, who can't wash their clothes. So these are the conversations we have with each other. I often am colluding with moms like, okay, what's your kid doing? Okay, is this normal? Okay, this is how I'm doing it. What are you doing?

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

And when we exist in community that way, then we can really we can, we can grow together and empower ourselves to be able to empower each other. And if you know that you struggle with communication, then that's where you you seek that outside counsel, that outside help you know, absolutely, and I think everybody needs a therapist, including the therapists themselves.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

That's right, that's right. It's so important to be able to say this outside of yourself, get it out of you, write it out on the paper. That's why they see journal right and all of those things, because it definitely makes a difference. My life, I've seen it for sure.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely yeah. So one of the things that I have learned and I'm still learning, and I'm always learning is how to listen to my son, how to listen differently from how I was listened to, and also how to listen to my son differently than how I listen to adults, because I think that sometimes we think that children are little adults. They're not. They are young, developing brains, and it can be easy, especially when your child is maybe like, has a, I like to say, an old soul or a mature soul, to almost mistake them from being a grown person.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Yes.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Yeah, and I will, you know, like, admit like I still do that and I have to. My son reminds me, he will remind me I'm just a kid, or I was overwhelmed and I'm like, oh yeah, you know, that makes sense. You are 10 after all, you know, and so understanding for me personally and also the thing that I often share, you know, with other parents is understanding where our kids are in their development and in their developmental stages can be incredibly helpful in framing how we speak to them. Right, you know, and I also think that while we have to understand that they're developing, we also can give them credit for their ability to process difficult things.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Yeah.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

And so we can also communicate honestly with them, right, and when we model emotional intelligence, then they kind of they can become, they can pick that up, they can absorb that. So I talk to my son about my feelings. You know, like, if I'm feeling sad, or if I'm feeling if I have a loss, you know like I had a community, a person in my community who died, and I was feeling sad, and he would say, mommy, you look sad. I said, well, I am sad. I said, you know, we lost a person in our community. And he would say, oh, I'm sorry, you know. And then and they said, well, you know what? Can I give you a hug?

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

And I always let him know that it's not his responsibility to make me feel better, but I think it's very sweet that he wants to comfort me, right, and so, like really being honest with our emotions, if I'm stressed, I might say, hey, today I'm stressed out, so I need, I need you to cooperate with me today, right, because my bandwidth is shorter, right. So these are some ways that we can begin to be honest and open and model communication. The more we are able to do the work with ourselves, to be able to expand our own emotional intelligence to be able to expand our own capacity for communication and heal our own internal trauma, the better we will be at modeling the type of behavior that we want to teach our children.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Absolutely so. I had a thought when you just said something about when your son sees you're sad and then he reaches out and and says sorry, I want to give you a hug. And you said it's not his responsibility to make you feel better. How do you, how do you have that conversation where? So the kid doesn't think I don't know. How do you have that conversation well with them, to explain that better to them so they don't think OK, mommy's saying I shouldn't show empathy because that's not what you're saying, correct. The child may not understand that. And I was just curious.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Yeah Well, so I kind of listen for when he might be tipping into that. Ok, okay, you know. So that's more more how I do it generally. If he's like, well, let me help, you know, give you a hug and and, and then I, you know, we hug and we cuddle and that's it makes me feel better but, every now and then.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

You know I have I'm a recovering people pleaser and sometimes I see it right if he's like, oh you know, but I want to do this to make you feel better. I want to make you, I want to make you when he starts using that language too much, then I will say I want, I want you to know that I've I'm, I so appreciate that you want to make me feel better. And I also want you to know that it's not your responsibility to to make me feel any kind of way Right.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

So, like you're. You're, you know, like you're the child and I'm the adult, so I should be able to. You know, there's nothing that you need to take out of my way, you know. But, and so it's like that kind of like that and piece, and I really love cuddling with you and it does make me feel better. So that's kind of that's the way I put it but I don't, and it's not something that, it's not a conversation I have all the time. It's just when I start to hear that, well, I want to do this so that you or I want to make you, or want to make you feel this way, or make you feel that what can I do to not make you feel as stressed out? And I'll just say, well, me being stressed out has nothing to do with you. Mommy's going to mommy's handle. That. It's just how I'm feeling right now.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Right, thank you, with you, mommy's gonna mommy's handle that. It's just how I'm feeling right now. Right, thank you. Because, yeah, I hear people say that and I always wonder, like, how did he really say to the kids? Because you don't want the kids to go off thinking, oh yeah, I don't have to show empathy and okay, whatever, whatever, I was like you're shutting them down, even though they they have that, that in that building phase of building how they respond to the world and how they respond to people. So the balance of it, yeah yeah that was a I like that.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

You said you don't have that conversation all the time and you just listen out for the languaging yeah, you know the listening piece is so important, right?

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

I think that's the piece that I don't know. At least my parents, not by any fault of theirs they weren't like the best listeners Because, you know, back in the day it's like speak when you're spoken to, you're a child, be in a child's place, so of course they're not really listening to us. You know, just beyond logistics, You're so right, I mean. I grew up in the same era.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

It's like that's right.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Logistics. You know that's all they want to hear, like what are you doing that you're supposed to do, what? What do you? What homework do you have? What you know, like where do we have to go? Like it's logistics right, and so what do you have? You know, like where do we have to go, like it's logistics right, and so what do you want for dinner? Or eat what's your dinner.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Yes, that's right too, right Right. But like listening to what's important, listening a little bit more deeply to our kids will help us to number one know when there's a problem early on right.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Know when there's a problem, early on and I asked my son questions, you know we were at the pediatrician's for his 10-year well child check earlier this week and I let him fill out the form and I was doing the sports physical form and he was doing like the regular, you know, form that, what does he like to do? You know all the little personal questions that they ask. He was doing that part. So there was a question that was like you know, do you feel sad or do you feel sad most of the days? Do you worry most of the days? And I didn't feel that out until I had a chance to like ask him Right, right. So I asked the the question, I showed him the question, I said which, which one should I put right so that he could be, he could answer that question and it gives me some information and and if, whether he's hesitating and like I'm sort of watching, but he's just without question answers, you know. So that those that's the kind of listening that we can begin to do as parents also.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Also, when our kids are telling us those seemingly random things about their day. This is a time to listen to, because you can catch, like, what's important to your child, right, and when you can catch what's important to your child, you can motivate them. Let me say that one again oh, yes, please, when you understand what's important to your child, you can motivate them. So my son likes video games, he likes anime. He's into that. Now, okay, he likes. What else does he like? He likes playing his. He likes reading, reading on the iPad, reading books on the iPad and listening to podcasts. So, you know, I leverage that a little bit.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

You can listen to the podcast after you complete your chores. Woohoo, of course, right, you know, if you, you know we're going to for his 10th birthday in lieu of, since it's the 10th, in lieu of a birthday party. I'm turning 50 in April. We're going to go to Japan in the summer. So I say to him listen, we're not going to, if it's okay with you. We're not going to have a birthday party because we're going to Japan. I'm going to put the money that I usually spend on your birthday party towards our Japan trip, okay, and we'll make sure that we visit all your favorite anime places Right? Oh, no problem, right. So listening to what you know is important to your kids.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

You can leverage and motivate them Right.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

I said what's your goal for your grades? And he says, well, my goal is to get all A's. So later on, if he's complaining about homework or I say, well, you said you wanted to get all A's, what do you think you need to do?

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Correct.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

You know you have to answer it yourself.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

You have to coach yourself to give you the right answer.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Right, that's right. So you know, those are some little tips and tricks that use to to motivate my kid, that I often share with parents. And as you think about it, we're coming back to brain science, neuroscience. We are we're we're directionalizing our child's thinking of what I do my background training in neuro-linguistic programming is how you use language, spoken and unspoken, to directionalize a person's thinking, and oftentimes we communicate just like unaware, with an unawareness. We don't always pay attention to what's coming out of our mouth, we're not paying attention to our thoughts, and when we're not paying attention to our thoughts and what's coming out of our mouth, we cause harm. And so when we can slow down and think about how we're saying things, how we want to communicate, what is the direction of thinking that we want our child to have empowered thinking that we want our child to have empowered thinking that we want our child to have, or how we motivate them, then we can listen to find out what are those key words or key interests to be able to directionalize that thinking.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Absolutely Well, that means we have to stop the chanter in our brain long enough, put down our phones too long, you know, to hear this message and text it to us. Yes, and if they cry for help, they're like, please hear me.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Yes, yeah, and I mean, we can have fun too with our kids.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

I've been teaching cats and hounds to do it. It's like there's so much adult thing to do is like I don't have time for that, but we have to have time for that.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Like that's critical you know this myth that we have to play for hours and hours with our kids in order to have fun with them. But do you know 15 minutes? Their concept of time is very different from ours. 15 minutes of a game of go fish is like so gratifying to them, me and my son. We have 15 minutes before I have to go upstairs and get on a meeting. Yeah, then or call. Then I say, okay, well, let's play a game of Uno Spin. He loves Uno, uno Spin right Gets real competitive with some Uno. So we play Uno, or we play Go Fish, or we play 21, blackjack Right, or we play I Declare War. We play Monopoly, monopoly takes a little bit longer.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

We need 30 minutes for Monopoly. Monopoly takes a little bit longer. We need 30 minutes for Monopoly. Oh no, because we're like wrestling. Yes, yes, yes. So you know these little bit of time periods, if we can put 15 minutes a day. You know that is chef's kiss to our young kids. It is it, kids.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

It is, it is, it is. Oh, my goodness, it makes such a difference, yeah, when my kids are like come play with me. But I had to remind myself it's so important because it's the way they speak. Love, right? Yes, yeah, that's why it just reminded me of my book that I wrote Children's Love Letters and the spell smells love because it's not time, like we know.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

We always say it's time and then we parents are thinking I don't have time, so why am I going to spend the time? Well, it's in so many. It's on all the little things that we do. They spell love. They spell, yeah, I mean looking at them in their eyes and putting down my. My 12 year old tells me all the time mommy, I'm talking to you, put the phone down. Okay, I'm getting bad. I put the phone down because I empowered him to tell me and I've told my kids. If you hear mommy raising her voice continuously, she's giving you permission to say Mommy, you told us not to yell at each other and it stops my brain Because, really, what comes out of the yelling in the end? It just hypes you, it builds your own blood pressure and makes things not go well, true.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

You know what?

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

I mean.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Listen, I love that and you know our.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

I love the and and they was. And you know, the kids, our kids, are not gonna remember the things that we gave them. They're gonna remember the things we did with them. Yes, you know, yeah, yeah. So you know, I, we used to this year, I, I didn't do a great, great job of it we used to go bike riding together, like me and my son, I finally got a bike that was passed down to me by my parents after they moved out of the country and so, and so that's like that's a thing. You know, we like put the bikes on on the rack and or we, sometimes it's simple, we just go walking in the neighborhood. Yes, you know, just go walk around the neighborhood and chat.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

He has a joke book, he likes to tell jokes. You know, at the dinner table I said, do you sit down and eat with your kids? And the kids are like when you sit down and eat with the kids, put the phone away. Right, sometimes, if I bring my phone, he'll be like all right, you know, right, you know, unless I'm looking at funny videos with him.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Absolutely right. So you're absolutely right. So something I did the other day with my, my seven-year-old. I dropped her at school. She didn't quite want to get out of the car. She's like, oh, I'm just gonna dab. She's like a little diva in the making. She had her sun shades on and was crossing her legs in the back seat. Oh, baby, okay, I'm like your mother needs to take notes. Then she looked out of the window and looked at the sky. She's like, mommy, look, the clouds are racing. And I was like, oh, and she looked. I'm like, oh, yes, they are.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

And we had the best 10 minutes watching the clouds race. And then I said to her, what if we race the clouds after school? And so it made me so happy and I was like why it was just that simple watching the crowds raise themselves.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

You know, so interesting it's such a good point you make Like it makes us feel good too. Yeah, it does. We think in the moment we think, oh, I don't have time, I have so much to do. When we actually stop. I really got this during the pandemic. Like you know, the pandemic did a lot of really bad things but it also did some some good things for us and for me personally. It really reconnected me to play because I was kind of forced to do it, right. I mean, my kid was home for kindergarten and you know he's a kindergarten so they really need more of that attention. He's an only child so he didn't have another, another somebody to play with and we don't do television like all day, every day. So you know we'd be outside in the back throwing a Frisbee, you know, or outside shooting some basketball hoops, and it got me really connected to my own sense of play, which connected me more to him.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

You know, and so that was just super fun to fun to to like experience, like when now we tell jokes, you know, at the at the dinner table yeah and and, or we do riddles, like we just make up random riddles that don't make sense, kind of thing, or would you rather he loves, would you rather?

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

would you rather be a tree or the leaves on the tree? Okay, that's a good one. Would you rather be the dirt, or the or the worms in the dirt? I'm a boy, so that's the kind of stuff we do, right, right, wonderful wow, I love it so.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

So, parents, I hope you're hearing the simple ways I mean, and it also taps into the kid in us, because all of us have kids. We still have a kid in us that's there and that we need to nourish and take care of still.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Yeah.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

When you lose touch with who you really are on the inside, then you lose touch with everything else I mean.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

So true, it's so true. But you know what? It does take intention. Yes, it does take intention, and in our very, very busy lives it also takes structure Right. So one of the things that I do is I have, because I, especially because I own my own business, I have to structure time away from work. And, and so you know, people might say well, you have to, you have to schedule time. Yes, I schedule the. Between this time and this time is time with my kid, it may be dinner time, it may be time after that, but, like between these times, it's blocked off, I'm inaccessible right right to others for anything, for phone calls, for anything, and so that allows me to be able to, when sometimes Delson will help me come cook.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

When we sit down for dinner, it's just me and him. After dinner I always go, and you know, and we sit down in the living room and we're like what are we going to do Right now? Because we're going to Japan in May. We are doing Duolingo, japanese lesson. We're going to do our Duolingo, right, and we do that for like 10 minutes, and then maybe we go play a game or something.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Yeah.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

But it takes like real intention, intentionality to be able to do that. So it's scheduled, it's, and then on the weekend, like, okay, this time is for my son, this time is for any work that I need to get done, and then that helps him too because he can understand that, okay, this is my time, and then when mommy's doing her admin time, she's doing her admin time and then she'll be back with me. Right, this is our bedtime, ritual stuff together, like whether I'm reading or whether we're just doing our cuddle time, goodnight time or whatever. That is, this is my time. And he always gets that time. And providing that consistency and that structure for your kid also gives them a sense of safety and security as well.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

And love and peace and joy and all the good things.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

All of those yeah.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

And foster their growth as children, because really children need all those ingredients. When you look at kids who have been in orphanages versus kids who are loved both this there's a difference, like just who people grow right. So so yeah all the reasons why yes, wow, we could go on and on forever.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Oh my gosh yeah part two of this.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

So thank you in advance for coming back so but I'd love to.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

I'd love to, and and you know we could also continue the conversation on my podcast. I need to have it on my podcast too, okay.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

I'll be there, yes, so can you please tell our parents where they can find out more information about the amazing services you provide?

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

Absolutely, absolutely. So. My primary website is mindremappingacademycom mindremappingacademycom, and there are a couple of ways that you can engage with me. So, if you're, if you're thinking you know what, I would really love some one-on-one coaching, particularly if you're like well, you know, I know I have some things I need to, like get rid of some old trauma from my parenting. I need to, I want to reparent myself. That's something that I can help you work with.

Dr. Maiysha Clairborne:

If you are inside of an organization or community group and you're like man, this should be a great speaker to come and talk about this type of thing. If you're, if you're an organization, have an ERG group, that's also a place where you can engage with me. And finally, I have a podcast. So it's called Behind Beliefs and Behaviors and it's a communication podcast. So if you're like I just want to hear more about her, then you can go and you can listen to the podcast, where I talk lots about communication and ways that we can listen, ways that we can create trust and safety, and so those are the, but the primary website is mindremappingacademycom, and everything will be there for you to peruse. In terms of social media, I'm on most platforms. I'm on Instagram and I'm on LinkedIn and Facebook, and I'm also on TikTok and YouTube, so I'm on all of them. It's backslash, dr Myesha. Whatever your favorite platform is, just go there and you can follow me.

Dr. Hokehe Eko:

Please do something good for yourself and go follow her. That's what I'm going to say. Thank you so much again for sharing your wisdom with us and coming on here and parents, please share this episode with family and friends that you know need to hear it. And until next time, have a wonderful day, thank you.